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Scoop: Batman 3 Story Details

By Josh Tyler: 2008-05-06 03:48:10
Scoop: Batman 3 Story Details The Dark Knight may still be months away, but planning for a third Batman movie is already happening, somewhere deep in the Warner Bros. lair. Tonight, in a flurry of superhero related messages between me and a long time scooper and friend of the site, we uncovered some of the details about where exactly Batman goes next, after he’s finished with the Joker in Dark Knight.

Make no mistake by the way, Joker really is out of the picture after this movie, at least according to our source. We’re told that the Joker indeed was supposed to be back for another film, and that they did consider simply recasting the part for the inevitable Batman 3, but that those plans have been scrapped after the tragedy of Heath Ledger’s death. Joker has been written out of the Batman 3 script.

Instead, our scooper tells us we’ll get a lot more Two-Face. No surprise there. Anyone who’s seen the recent trailer for The Dark Knight knows the current movie will be dealing with the creation of Batman’s scarred, coin-flipping bad guy. It looks like Batman 3 will continue with his story. We couldn’t get specific details from our source, but she says the third film will be referencing the Batman graphic novels “The Long Halloween” and “Dark Victory”.

“The Long Halloween” seems to deal with a lot of the plot elements we’ll see in The Dark Knight. According to Wikipedia, it involves the Joker, and the creation of Two-Face. More importantly, it involves the evolution of the gang of criminals Batman fights into full fledged supervillains. “Dark Victory” is a sequel to “The Long Halloween”, in the same way Batman 3 will likely be a direct sequel to The Dark Knight. “Dark Victory” continues the story of “The Long Halloween” and seems primarily focused on Two-Face, while introducing Batman’s sidekick Robin. Does that mean we’ll get the return of the boy wonder in Batman 3? If the story follows along this same track, it could.

For any of this complex storytelling to work, they’re going to need director Christopher Nolan. From what our source tell us, he’ll be back for Batman 3… but only Batman 3. Whether the series goes on from there is anybody’s guess, but all indications are that no matter what happens Nolan quits the world of Batman after the third one, and moves on to something else.


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  1. Kris Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 10:33

    Will Robin indeed be the Boy Wonder or will it be another Chris O'Donnell? (No offense to Chris, but he wasnt right for the role)...
    We need to keep with the original story line, Dick Grayson was a kid, not a 20-something, I dont even think he was in high school yet.
    Id rather see Batgirl... though if you watched Batman Begins, Barbara was only a toddler, we have a long way to go...

  1. Aaron Abbott Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 14:26

    Please Mr. Nolan, no Robin!

  1. Eric Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 14:27

    The Joker is a very important character in The Long Halloween. So far from the trailers, not much from either of the graphic novels plot wise has been shown. The death of Heath has made this a whole different situation than intended.

  1. P4perstreet Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 14:27

    Please for the love of god NO ROBIN!!!!!!

  1. John Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 14:27

    Very cool news. Under the right circumstances, I could see Robin being introduced - maybe at the end of the story, like Joker in "Begins" (and, presumably, Two-Face in "Dark Knight"). Chances are, another villain will show up, too...Penguin?

  1. Logan Rules Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 14:27

    Yeah BATMAN!!!!!

  1. CMG Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 14:27

    Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face again? Me hopes so.

  1. John Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 14:28

    We already knew this. Old news.

  1. hbk Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 15:38

    We want Catwoman! batman returns style Catwoman that goes between good/bad

  1. CoffeeJedi Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 15:38

    I really hope they change their minds about the Joker in part 3. While the death of Heath Ledger is tragic, the character himself is needed by the story. Batman just isn't Batman without the Joker.

    As for Robin, I just don't understand the hatred for the character. He's an integral part of the franchise, and can be done right. Have the Grayson's get murdered in part 3 and Bruce take him in to protect him, never intending he learn the truth or stick around longer than a few weeks. By the end of the movie, Dick will discover Bruce's secret and askto avenge his parents. At this point, he should be about 14. If they do a part 4, it can be set 3 years later, and Robin is now finally ready start crime fighting. Give him Nightwing's costume (and perhaps even the name) and there you go.

  1. africanlived Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 18:34

    Re-cast Joker! Please... Batman aint the same! Esp with those stories!

  1. Mark Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 18:34

    @Kris-
    Barbara is not in Batman Begins. James Jr. is though.

  1. John Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 23:44

    There will be no Robin, trust me.

  1. MARK BRYANT III Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 23:45

    They need to use The Mad Hatter in Batman 3 along with Two Face

  1. Alyssa Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 23:45

    I dont know , I think that it would be an insult to Heaths memory to cast a new Joker, so I dont really like that idea. I was really hurt by his death, I still cant believe it. I agree, that they should have another villian I like Catwoman, someone suggested Helena Bonham Carter as Catwoman, I like that idea. She already kicks a$$ as Bellatrix, she could be catwoman. I personally liked all the former Batman movies, they werent as bad as everyone says. My favorite though was the one that came out the year I was born - 89, the first one ever with Jack as the joker.Cant wait to see Heaths portrayal though, he looks awsome.

  1. Ash Talon Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 23:45

    Highly doubtful about this news. My source told me that Nolan's third Batman film will be fast-tracked due to Nolan wanting to wrap up his involvement with the franchise.

    However, it's highly doubtful that Two-Face will be back. Watch DK, and you'll see why.

  1. cubitfox Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 23:45

    Batman= a dark brooding character that alone produces amazing films with deep thought and atmosphere.

    Batman along with Robin= campy crap that not only disgraces comics but films as a whole. Robin set the comic book world back 20 years, just keep the bat by himself.

  1. Tom Says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 23:45

    NO ROBIN!!!!

  1. John Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 00:26

    Alyssa: No to Helena Bonham Carter as Catwoman! We need something different than what came before.

    Ash Talon: What is DK? TDK you mean? The third film WILL have Two Face as the main baddie, you can beat on it.

  1. Mitch Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 02:13

    Heath Ledger looks/sounds/and is about the same age as Nate Richert (Harvey from Sabrina The Teenage Witch) and it’s not like he’s career going anywhere. Nolan should recast the Joker with him, or go for a slightly different portrayal with another big name actor in the vain of what he’s doing with the Rachel Dawes character. I really want the Joker to come back for part 3 as he’s Batman’s Darth Vader. Heath even said anyone can play the Joker... AND NO ROBIN! I really could care less about: Two-Face, Scarecrow, or even Ra's returning. Catwoman? Meh...

  1. orange cinema Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 02:44

    i can see depp, gordon-leavitt, or day-lewis doing the joker in heath's absence. any of those 3 with nolan behind them - and we're safe. i know in my heart that part 3 will focus on two-face, in fact we all know it -except a few misguided souls. all i can hope is that WB sit back, shut up, and allow nolan to gracefully exit the series by letting him do ANYTHING he wants. the man is one of our finest directors and truly cares about gotham and it's inhabitants.

    i'd hate to see robin come in while nolan is still here, becasue he has said he doesn't want to, and i don't see it fitting - but if he chose to lob it in at the end for the next director, that could be cool. i'm not sure which new/remaining villian would fit into this world properly, but do we even need to add another baddie? more characters does not a good film make. it'd be just fine with harvey as the main, and joker in a supporting. i was always hoping to see harley quinn, and i think nolan could pull off poison ivy without jts, but who knows...let me just close out by saying yet again, how nice it is to not worry for one minute with a guy like chris nolan in charge. i trust and believe in any decision he makes, for any film he makes.

  1. Jason Todd Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 14:24

    The Dark Knight Returns ~ Frank Miller's graphic novel and then the follow up to that for Batman 3 and 4. And 4 can even be a starting point for the jla since theyre involved. That jla movie thats supposed to happen can be a prequel to the 4th Batman movie.

  1. shane420nsf Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 14:24

    Mitch..."it's not like his(ledger's) career is going anywhere??? tacky comment-
    I highly doubt that nolan will recast Joker-if he appears in the next one it would be a small cameo in Arkhym-perhaps sitting in his cell,seen only in shadows-maybe some footage of Heath not used in TDK as an homage.It'll be TwoFace-and what I'm hoping for -praying for-is Catwoman-Nolan-style-meaning she has no powers,she isn't brought back to life by a bunch of cats licking her all over-she'll be just llike in Year One-a tough as nails hooker in the Narrows who decides to steal instsead of turn tricks-but isn't EVIL-then Batman, tortured by the death of Racheal at the hands of The Joker, will grapple with the powerful attraction he shares w/ this mysterious Catwoman-she might aid him in bringing down TwoFace and whoever else Nolan might work in there.
    There seems like there always needs to be a woman in a Batman flick so no one will think he's gay-and it shoudn't be Vicki Vale, silver St Cloud, Racheal, Talia ai Ghul-there's only one woman for Bruce, and it's Selina Kyle. No Robin-sorry, but in the REAL WORLD no one would drag a 13 year old kid around w/ him into super dangerous situations-it doesn't make any sense-that;s why Joker has makeup on-it has to make sense in the real world or they won't do it.
    So that's what I want for Nolan Batman 3-harvey and Selina and commisioner gordon and more gritty,hard-edged batman stories.
    God,that trailer is awesome-

  1. 3Diddy Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 14:24

    I'd like to see Bane and/or Freeze. Poison Ivy might work but she seems as campy as Robin.

  1. TJR Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 14:24

    There is nothing wrong with re-casting a major character in a film franchise. They did it with Harry Potter and audiences did not turn away.

    You just simply have to find a suitable replacement.

    At the end of the day, a movie is about the story and it's characters more than it is about who plays them.

  1. Superstar280 Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 14:25

    Robin? I'm not to sure how I feel. I love the character, I really do. But I don't think that's the way to go with Nolan's series. Besides, Nolan said before he didn't think he'd ever use Robin. But I do feel they should have Catwoman - especially if they want a character that is not really a villian like she is in the comics now. Catwoman wasn't really a villian in Long Halloween or Dark Victory, she robbed from the mob. I think Nolan would be smarter to go that direction than the Robin direction. Besides, after that mess of a movie they made with Halle Berry, Catwoman/Selina Kyle needs a little redemption.

  1. Kris Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 14:25

    @Mark

    Really, I just assumed it was Barbara, becuase Barb was older than James, Jr. and I didnt see a second kid... It would be better if they set her up as being around 11 or so in Batman Begins, so they could set her up as a 16 year old Batgirl later.

  1. Aj Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 14:25

    Robin was in batman begins. Remember the little boy in the narrows? Thats him.

  1. Skutterfly Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 16:17

    shane420nsf, i think Mitch meant Nate Richert's career isn't going anywhere.

    I would love to see Nolan's take on Mr. Freeze or Clayface (maybe even throw a little Hush cameo in there).

    After TDK no one's going to want to step into the shoes of Ledger. He's going to be amazing.

  1. JRD Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 16:17

    "Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face again? Me hopes so."

    Uh... I'm pretty sure it's gonna be Aaron Eckhart.

  1. nightwingoracle Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 17:32

    Catwoman definitely needs to be in the third movie.

    I would leave Joker out of the third one, due to Heath's passing. Then, recast for a later movie if they go further.

    Professor Hugo Strange would be a great one to do as well.

    As for Robin: Dick Grayson is one of my all-time favorite characters. But I think we're still too early in this run for him to show up.

  1. ddleo Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 20:37

    Almost seems like they're setting up for Bane at some point....
    The bad guys are let out of Arkham and Batman looks like he's tiring after catching them, just like Knightfall
    It's just a big guess at this point but.....

  1. DiZZy Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 22:49

    @ ddleo: For a Bane setup would be pretty good, possibly towards the end of three. Now, if they could have him as the intelligent and deadly person to Batman, being spanish like he is (not that crap in Batman & Robin, being small at first and mentally retarded), and showing his struggle of addiction and weakness of the Venom would be pretty good. And hell who knows, they'll maybe throw in the part of Knightfall having him break Batman's back.

  1. silly_comments_reply Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 22:49

    Okay... Stop your supposelly I know how Batman should be written please!!! Batman will always be Batman Joker or not, Robin is certainly not necessary to the story neither is Batgirl or Catwoman... Stop thinking that the story re-written heu!!! After all, it's not because it was tail a certain way before that it has to be the same way again... What about something new!!!

  1. Ken Says:
    May 8th, 2008 at 04:46

    TJR said it just right...not casting a new Joker "out of respect for Heath" is surely not how Heath would have cared for it to go I would imagine.

    Franchises can thrive on change...look at Harry Potter, James Bond, Dr. Who...

    Batman and Joker go hand in hand in these dark tales of the Bat. If Joker was originally intended to continue into the 3rd installment...don't change the horse in midstream.

    My dream movie, at this point, would be Miller's Dark Knight Returns. Burn the sequel to that...but DKR is just BEGGING for the screen. Maybe the success of Watchmen next year will bring it to light.

  1. PRF0321 Says:
    May 8th, 2008 at 14:42

    Clayface... anyone?!

  1. geedub Says:
    May 8th, 2008 at 22:06

    Frank Millers The Dark Night Returns! It would make the perfect ending to the trilogy and they could get someone to play an older Joker.

  1. toddster119 Says:
    May 8th, 2008 at 22:06

    When I saw Batman Begins, I thought Robin didn't belong in this version of Gotham City. Now thinking about it, I would like to see one, but not a kid of 12 or 13 like he was when he first put on the mask, but a teenager who's a more than a bit street smart (ala Jason Todd), someone who seems like he'd belong at the Batman's side... If Robin is eventually put into this series (which would be logical if this series continues past 3 movies), I have every confidence that the character would be approached a lot differently than the last movie incarnations.

  1. Sam Says:
    May 8th, 2008 at 22:06

    Why, dont they Bring back Mr. Freeze. Two-Face Was cool and all. but, Mr. Freeze gave a Creepy edge to the comics and Previous movies. Like joker he was in Fact a Scary man. It would be Interesting to see if he ever comes to mind. and, the Idea of Robin! well, just aslong as he wont be hokey like robin is. The Third film will be interesting to see where they go with it

  1. RONBOND007 Says:
    May 11th, 2008 at 04:32

    I hope Robin will be in the third Batman film. Batman needs Robin. Batman is more fun when Robin is with him. When I first saw Batman in The New Adventures of Batman cartoon he always had Robin with him. I've always liked Robin's colorful costume as well as Batman's.

    Robin can be done right today just don't do him as the HOLY THIS HOLY THAT guy. Batman:TAS had the best version of Robin as well as the comic series Dark Victory in which the third film will be based on. Have Robin's (Dick Grayson's) costume though as all red with a black cape like Tim Drake currently wears in the comics. Robin makes Batman feel like a father figure as well as an older brother and provides light into Batman's grim world. Robin is an important part of the Batman mtyhos. Without Robin Batman is just another ordinary character. I hope Robin will be in the third film as well as a fourth if there is one. If he's not in the third he should definitely be in a fourth starting a new trilogy but I prefer Robin would be in the third Batman film coming out in 2011.

    I don't want to wait till around 2014 to see a Batman/Robin film since it's taking three years between Batfilms. I hope Robin(Dick Grayson) will be in the third Batman but as the 12-year old he was when he made his debut in Detective Comics #38 in 1940.

    Then there could be a second Batman trilogy with Batman and Robin ending with Dick Grayson becoming Nightwing and Tim Drake becoming the next Robin. AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS BATMAN NEEDS ROBIN??!!

  1. black hawk Says:
    May 12th, 2008 at 12:32

    I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A 12 YEAR OR 13 YEAR OLD BOY AS ROBIN, AKA DICK GRAYSON, AND HE SHOULD BE PLACED INTO BATMAN'S CARE AFTER HIS PARENTS CARE, HE SHOULD BE A BLONDE HAIRED DICK GRAYSON, AND HE SHOULD BE INTROUDUCED IN THE 3RD FILM

  1. MooseHead Says:
    May 12th, 2008 at 12:32

    I would like to see Robin as a 12 or 13 yr old kid and going in depth with the whole thing and how his mom and dad really died, i mean yea the new batman movie is dark but i think if they get the right guy and give him a new suit ( and then give him the red and yellow suit) that Robin being in the 3rd or 4th film will be cool just get the right stuff and look at were the city is in the movies dark, not ur avrage city

  1. KIRK Says:
    May 12th, 2008 at 14:49

    PLEASE MR NOLAN DO A ROBIN CHARACTER BUT MAKE HIM 12 YRS OLD

  1. kyr Says:
    May 13th, 2008 at 14:22

    Batman 3:
    Joker, Two Face, Catwoman, Talia....Yes!!!
    Robin??? Hell no!!!!!

  1. Ben Says:
    May 15th, 2008 at 14:09

    I really dont want to see robin in this movie, once hes introduced then we will have to have a whole line of more batman. Thats good though I just dont feel like having warner bros have to make more movies based on someone we dont need right now. Batman is the main priority. And yes Two-Face and maybe someone more messed up like..the clayman or soemthing, someone whos been genetically altered so it makes it more fantasy.

  1. Baxter Pancake Says:
    May 20th, 2008 at 18:31

    Nolan himself has stated that since his movies feature a young Batman that he won't have Robin in any of them. He also has said that he doesn't see himself using the Penguin - but I suppose that could change.

    If Bale and Nolan won't return for a fourth film - in my opinion - Warner Bros should wait a few years and then do another inter-related trilogy with new talent.

  1. Justin Says:
    May 22nd, 2008 at 02:24

    I heard Christopher Nolan was going to stop after the third Batman. I really hope not because these have been the best ones ever. I haven't even seen Dark Knight yet but I am going to see it in the theater at least 4 times with all my friends, my family and with two of my ex girlfriends. If he was just insuring himself so that he isn't tied to keep making them, since Heath won't be able to be involved in the 3rd, then that is understandable.
    Aaron Eckhart is a good actor but he is not very experienced as the role requires. I don't know that he has what it takes to be a villain. He plays nice guys and psychiatrists very well but I don't have a lot of faith in him as a bad guy, but who knows. If somehow another outstanding Joker is found, that would be great. Hopefully one as talented as Heath or Jack, who could pick up where Heath left off without a problem like Rachel Dawes switch.
    Honestly, I watch all the Batman movies but I wish they were kept dark and with Batman an above the law vigilant. Seriously, in every sequel of the first series they go from great to good to bad and crap. They become childrens' movies. Even the original Batman tv show was more authentic than the Batman & Robin joke. Batman Forever was ok but it's just not the same when Batman becomes a baby-sitter. Example: Vin Diesel in The Pacifier. I hope that the new series stays the way that Batman is supposed to be portrayed. It is hard to do that with Robin and Batgirl.
    Personally, I don't think they are even needed and would ruin the series. Batman should save kids not fight with them, otherwise you have a disney movie called The Incredibles which was good but Batman is meant to be rated R (or the closest thing to it) with serial killers minus anything too gruesome. I would love for Batman to become an adult series but in the meantime this is very close to it. It should be controversial how bordering Batman is for childrens' viewing. By adding a sidekick, you lose the intimidating factor of Batman's personality, needed to believe that he is just as dangerous as the job requires. It makes him seem old and fallible.
    Robin would have to be just as hard as Batman, like as a Nightwing type of personality. He should lose his parents and then turned into a hopeless juvenile, like Bruce Wayne in the prison from Batman Begins and not like the rebellious punk that Chris Odonell played.
    They should be separate heroes almost, don't make Robin need Batman very much and definately don't make Batman need Robin. Also, they don't need to make stupid ass jokes like the Freeze jokes and surfing shit they pulled in Batman & Robin. I think Batman and Robin should be more of acquantances than partners. That's if they use Robin and I hope they don't. Don't get me started on Batgirl.

  1. XenoPhreak Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 14:37

    I think they should introduce a Robin in the third movie, but make him Jason Todd.
    Have a Joker cameo with somebody that resembles Heath Ledger, but on a minor role, and then kill Robin.

    That would be an awesome third movie.

  1. XenoPhreak Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 14:37

    I think they should introduce a Robin in the third movie, but make him Jason Todd.
    Have a Joker cameo with somebody that resembles Heath Ledger, but on a minor role, and then kill Robin.

    That would be an awesome third movie.

  1. andrew Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 23:20

    Everyone please Nolan has already went on record and stated that he will not be using Robin in any of the films. Why? because Robin is a tool and has alaways been a tool. Batman is batman. Who would not be if some kid was beside him. Yes Chris sucked as Robin, but so would anyone else. Nolan is going to intruduce us to Edward Nigma at the end of this film. I was a PA on the film in chicago. Where are you people getting this Robin info from? seriously. The 3rd batman will go off some of millers novels but not verbatum. No robin no robin no robin

  1. erock Says:
    May 29th, 2008 at 03:24

    I'm calling bs on this article.

  1. yosock Says:
    May 31st, 2008 at 15:12

    o my, why would you make a robin, he would be the fall of batman, he would make batman look like a peice of crap. batman needs to stay solo because of the seriousness and great action of his movies. The next movie should have a good plot, good action, a good villain, and no robin. By the way, where did katie holmes go? wasn't she his gf?

  1. bruingirl Says:
    June 3rd, 2008 at 15:58

    Despite helpful reassurances from commentators here, I'm still trembling in terror in my boots that there will be a Robin. Why would Nolan reintroduce Edward Nygma? Dear God, I can't get the maniacal cartoonish laughter out of my head... Although I have faith in Nolan that he would keep to the creepy dark and realistic. I'm still crossing my fingers. If he goes buffoon-cartoon on this one, I'm sworn off Batman forever.

  1. Hippie Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 19:06

    Why Not Just Put Catwoman In The 3rd One Becuase There Was So Much Talk Of Her Making a Re-Appearance In The Old Franchise (s) with Keaton/Kilmer or Clooney and NEVER DID. She is Such an Under-Used Character In These Films. Batman Needs A Femme Fatale For His Franchise and His Viewers.

  1. james Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 03:28

    i dont think that they should put robin in it. it may spoil it and if the joker didnt die then (no offence heath) it may ruin it abit because the scarecrow didnt die eather.

  1. TheShipwright Says:
    June 17th, 2008 at 16:36

    Personally, I think Robin could very easily be introduced into this new take on the Dark Knight by Christopher Nolan. In fact, I think he'd be a great addition to the story. It is true that Dick Grayson came into the picture a long time ago to tone down the darkness in Batman's character. He helped create a legacy of camp that really destroyed who Batman was for a solid thirty years. However, from the 1980's onwards, his character has been re-interpreted to represent an entirely new element of the Batman mythos, particularly in "The Dark Victory", which the new films gather much of their storyline elements from. Dick Grayson came into Batman's life during a time when Bruce Wayne found himself unable to trust anyone, not even Alfred. His old friend, District Attorney Harvey Dent, had just undergone his tragic transformation into the villainous Two-Face, and his relationship with Commissioner Gordon had gone down the gutter due to this. Than Dick Grayson came under his ward. Here was a boy as equally disturbed as he was at that young age, having just witnessed the murder of his parents at the hands of mob boss Anthony Zucco. His desire for revenge reflected Bruce's own during that time. As a result, Robin was a character that was designed not necessarily to represent the campiness of the Batman mythos, but someone in whom Batman could find trust again. He saw so much of himself in the young Robin that he had to.

    Now, in regards to the suit, yes, the original one was quite campy and would not at all be suitable for Nolan's darker, grittier take on the story; however, I think the Tim Drake variation of the costume would be perfect. The red and black theme would fit in well with Batman's flat black color scheme, with some golden bronze on the belt. Give him (Dick) the armored tunic and gorget, as well as the collapsible bo staff, and you've got an excellent addition to the Caped Crusader.

    In regards to casting, though Nolan joked about throwing Frankie Muniz in their as Robin, I would seriously reccomend casting Logan Lerman, who starred with Christian Bale and Russel Crowe in "3:10 to Yuma". Think about it: he already has a chemistry with Bale (he played Bale's son in the film, which is appropriate for their possible relationship as Batman and Robin), plus he's a young, up and coming star with some serious potential, and he really looks the part. You ask me, he'd be perfect.

    Aside from Robin, there a few other characters who I also believe to be deserving of a presence in the third instalment. The principle one is Catwoman. I think it'd be really neat if there was some kind of reference to her character at the end of "The Dark Knight", much in the same way their was to the Joker at the end of "Batman Begins" (and, lo and behold, look who's starring in TDK). She is a character who has been fundamentally abused and never properly interpreted through film before. "Batman Return's", which was more an excercise in style and genre than an actual interpretation of the title character, featured her as having been mystically revived/empowered by cats after having been pushed off a building. Halle Berry's "Catwoman" was much the same, though it actually had nothing to do with the character of Selina Kyle, and was an overall abomination done unto a relatively interesting anti-hero. I think it'd be great to see Selina Kyle done properly, with her human roots in prostitution and vigiliantism that were done by Frank Miller in "Batman: Year One" and it's sequels. She's so similar to Batman himself, if you think about it, making her the perfect "love interest", so to speak (this should only be done, though, if the Joker kills Rachel Dawes in TDK, which would probably be a good idea; it would firmly establish the Joker as Batman's most personal villain, and it would help tip Harvey Dent over the edge). They've both seen things in their past that have caused them to want to seek out the means to combat crime and corruption. While Bruce went on a journey across the world for several years to understand the criminal philosophy and psychology, she went underground into prostitution to do the same. As such, her character fits in well with the darker scope of this newer franchise. In terms of casting, I would throw either Carrie-Anne Moss (Trinity of "The Matrix"; I know, black leather stereotype and all, but she's honestly a really good, sultry actress who also looks the part) or Kate Beckinsale (who's already expressed interest in the role) into the film.

    Another character I would consider, though Nolan's stated otherwise, would be Oswald Cobblepott, a.k.a. "The Penguin". By this, I don't mean the Danny DeVito version where he was a deformed circus-freak living in the sewers of Gotham and raised by penguins; I mean the refined, non-psychopathic, "gentlemen of crime" that generally appeared in the comics. The one that ran Gotham's criminal underworld from his legitimate business establishment, the Iceberg Lounge. I think it'd be really neat if he made some kind of appearance as a notorious British arms dealer who's come to Gotham City seeking to expand his criminal empire. For casting, there's only one man who I would ever choose to fulfill that role: Philip Seymour Hoffman.

    As a final note in this long-winded speculatory speech, I would not suggest removing the Joker from the series in the face of Heath Ledger's death. It's deeply tragic, yes, and I am pissing my pants waiting for what is going to be an extraordinary performance by him in TDK, but, as stated above, it should be about the characters, not the actors. David S. Goyer stated that his intention was to draft a script for the third film featuring the Joker and Two-Face as villains, and I think that they should stick to that, instead of compromising. If they need to re-cast him, than I agree that Daniel Day-Lewis would be a great choice. Paul Bettany was also a major candidate for the role before Ledger was cast; I think he'd be an awesome choice.

    In the end, we have to rely on Christopher Nolan to do what's right for the franchise. He, along with Christian Bale, are without a doubt the best things that have happened to Batman since Frank Miller himself. Regardless of all our speculation, it seems obvious that Two-Face, played by Aaron Eckhart (another great choice, I might add), will be the primary villain of the third film. But, for the rest of it, we'll just have to trust Nolan, and I have no problem sitting back and doing just that.

  1. Danny Says:
    June 18th, 2008 at 22:18

    the tragedy of heath ledger is just horrible he made an excellent joker and 2face looks incredible. hopefully they will put 2face in the third movie and maybe add another character? im not sure... if there dealing with gang crimnals i think it would be a good idea to do bane or the penguin but im not sure those characters are as "down to earth" as twoface and the joker. hopefull they wont put robin in. i hate robin he just made the comics and movies horrible. a little crime fighting boy in red and yellow acrobatic tights? come one!? batmans more realistic than that. he has more depth as well. nightwing was sick though. oh well all together i hope they dont put robin in. we are just going to have to wait and see who the new villains will be. the joker and 2face are fantastic choices for batmans sequal/ what i dont get is why they used the two most unpopular characters in the batmans franchise for the first movie. ras al gual and scarecrow? terrible! they did a much better job in this one.

  1. TheShipwright Says:
    June 20th, 2008 at 23:22

    If you think about it, actually, Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow are two of Batman's most dangerous villains. Ra's Al Ghul tends to make threats on a global scale, rather than restricting himself purely to Gotham City, and Scarecrow is all about manipulating the fear in others, which is something Batman's been fighting against since childhood. Plus, I liked that they used two really fresh villains to kickstart the new franchise with, rather than recycling the Penguin or Catwoman from the off.

  1. eckhartrules Says:
    June 24th, 2008 at 15:45

    @Justin:

    Aaron Eckhart doesn't have much experience as an actor? Dude, did you see "Thank You For Smoking"? The man's a champ.

    Can't see him as a villain? Go rent "In the Company of Men" and shut your face. In that movie he's even more vile than what Harvey dent becomes.

  1. IM ADDICT3D TO FR3SH Says:
    June 24th, 2008 at 19:06

    I REALLY WANT CATWOMON CUZ THERES NO ONE LIKE HER SHE JUST ROCKS. BUT IF U THINK BOUT IT HER AND THE BAT ARE A LOT ALIKE.

  1. eckhartrules Says:
    June 24th, 2008 at 19:06

    @Justin:

    Aaron Eckhart doesn't have much experience as an actor? Dude, did you see "Thank You For Smoking"? The man's a champ.

    Can't see him as a villain? Go rent "In the Company of Men" and shut your face. In that movie he's even more vile than what Harvey Dent becomes.

  1. mikey Says:
    June 26th, 2008 at 17:38

    part III =

    begin with romance involving harley quinn (amy poehler?)

    mr. freeze as an uuuuuber super dark, scary, creepy character that literally kills thousands (jeremy irons?)

    the introduction (and death) of robin (Paul Dano..buffed?)

    scandal with the newly elected mayor (johnny depp)

    annihilation of almost half of gotham.
    batman saves the day, but is injured and tired.
    the end. yaaay!

    (oh yeah throw jeniffer connelly in there somehow)

  1. z Says:
    June 28th, 2008 at 04:02

    Not to discredit heath ledger and his amazing talents, but if batman can be recast 4 times then we can cast the joker more than twice, sure the performance may not be as good...but we have all be taken by what a wonderful job ledger did and this after a stellar performance by Jack nicholson. Don't let the ongoing story and an almost 70 year old character die because an actor portraying him did. The joker was before heath and will be there after....i really fear a backlash from fans that the whole "nolan" crew isn't really in it for the art of the story because of how they are dealing with Heath ledger's tragic death....no one likes it when young talent goes too early, but, it shouldn't force the art to stop.

  1. William Hart Says:
    June 28th, 2008 at 21:37

    Hmm. Well the problem here is that Ras Al Ghul, Scarecrow, Joker and Two-Face are all real world type villains in the sense that they by nature (despite any wierd comic twists) do not have any kind of superhuman ability. Ras is an international terrorist head, Scarecrow is a deranged psychologist with a hallucinogen, Joker is a psychopatic grudge murderer and Two-Face is a misguided and malformed vigilante. If there is another villain in New Batman 3 it needs to be one that easily complements the rest.

    I consider most of the other ones to be really campy unless completely revamped (Scarecrow had a good reason for his mask, Catwoman would be completely lame unless they didn't do the suit and then she's hardly Catwoman at all). Clayface is a little too obscure and no idea for his origination in the movies sounds really good to me (in the end he has to use stuff to mold his face and that just doesn't work). Perhaps the most interesting concept I've heard is of Mr. Freeze as a serial killer obsessing over his ex that he murdered. This would make him an enemy to Two-Face as well as Batman, and some interesting interplay as Batman would almost agree if Two-Face were to kill him.

    As for Robin, I again do not see a way they could both introduce him and make him a worthwhile character in one movie (perhaps making the character without having him as a sidekick would be possible). The biggest problem is he inevitably lightens the mood since we have two heros to handle each issue, and we as the audience must have his actions shown as much as Batman's in any given action scene, which diverts the attention from the better half and any villains involved. So I agree with the people who do not want an attempt at him - unless he's not a crime fighter in the movie.

  1. Eckhart Says:
    July 2nd, 2008 at 12:58

    Okay, as for my opinions on Robin: I think if they do implement him, they should make it like this: Robins parents are killed because terrorist hired by Two-Face has tried to flush out Batman. Bruce cant save them in time, and when he see's Dick's face, he gets a flashback to whn his own parents died, so he offers to (reluctantly) take him in with the help of Alfred. After some exploring of the house Dick finds the Bat cave and all of Batmans shit, but doesnt tell anyone. He then waits for Bruce to take off with The Tumble leaving Alfred and he alone, he sneaks back into the cave, steals one of the Prototype Batman suits (one that hasnt been bulletproofed yet) and follows Batman on the bike.
    Batman confronts Two-face who has laid an obivous trap for Batman, who easily dodges it and then says something cocky like, "Was that supposed to kill me?"
    Then Two-Face replies words that burn Bruce Waynes mind forever, "It wasnt meant for you, Bat."
    Then the roar of the bike as Robin flies down the street to the Dock and boat where Two Face and Batman are, he slides the bike just short of the explosive wire and Bruce says, "Wait, stop!"
    But too late, Robin stands up and says, "You killed my fam-" BOOm! he trips the wire and everything just blows up.
    Bruce doesnt know what to think about Dent now, earlier he had thought that Dent could be reasoned with, that maybe he could be fixed, but with Robin dead, he has no gorund, no where to turn. The world starts to look menacing to him and he doesnt understand HOW someone could kill a kid, a KID!
    Then Two-Face begins a killing spree, a ploy designed to lure Batman out, much like the same thing Joker did in the first one. Finally, Bruce finds out where Two Face is hiding and goes after him and in Two Face's lair (Bad guys always have lairs) he starts some tedious dialogue (BM is Batmand and TF is Two Face.
    BM- I knew you'd be here Harvey, what do you want? What have i done to make you kill hundreds of innocent people to flush me out?
    TF- haha... A man i a great balck BAT SUIT made of recycled RUBBER questions MY sanity?? How is the night for you you furry RAT?
    BM- You have killed a lot of innocent people Harvey not the least of which...
    TF- The boy? yes yes... Grayson was a fool, but you were more the fool to believe you could keep a secret of THAT magnitude from him, BRUCE!
    BM- How did you know?
    TF- I've been following this... (he takes out a piece of paper) It has written on it a letter to all who would oppose BATMAN and in here in states the PLAN for LURING you OUT, RODENT!
    BM- I've seen that before...
    TF- Yes you have... It was The Jokers.
    BM- I killed him!
    TF- My dear Bruce... legends like The Joker cannot be killed, Ha HA!
    BM- He's the one who tried to kill you, Harvey, hes the one who burnt you alive!
    TF- YES HE WAS, BUT NOW HE'S DEAD, ISNT HE??? So who CAN I KILL to get revenge? The person that could have SAVED me but DIDN'T!!
    BM- Harvey i...
    TF- I know i know, you're sorry right? I'm supposed to forgive it all and allow you to go on but what you don't realize, Dark Knight, is that i am merely the opening act! There is an evil in Gotham, Mr. Wayne, and if you kill me... if you kill me or end me or beat me, there will always be another one, another vigilante with a Dark PAST and no matter how many you kill no matter how many times you cheat DEATH Wayne, one day you will fall and on that day Gotham will be overrun... overrun with maniacs...
    BM- So help me Harvey, you once held an oath to the city of Gotham, you once SWORE to Gotham that you would give your LIFE to protect it and you almost DID... do you want your city overrun by, as you say, maniacs?
    (Two face walks down the steps and stands not two feet from Bruce. The he changes, his face unwrinkles and his eyes glaze and he frowns.)
    Harvey Dent- I've done soo many things i'm not proud of, Bruce... So many wrongs...
    BM- You are forgiven, i forgive you Harvey for killing those people, even (he swallows) Grayson. Now tell me what is coming to Gotham.
    Dent- All i know is that they had sent The Joker THAT letter over there... they are some mob organization or something run by two psychopaths (This is where it gets a little wierd, because this is assuming that the fourth one will be the last one) named Edward and a man who calls himself "The Penguin." thats all i know about them. They are importing drugs, weapons, bombs, things like that into the city... and something else...
    BM- what something else, Harvey? What is it?
    (Dent turns to face him)
    Dent- a machine... a machine that has the ability to make people Biologically immortal, the ultimate steroid is what they are calling it. It kills all your brains cells but makes your body as hard as iron.
    BM- that doesnt make any sense, what good would that do?
    Dent- Joker was their leader, Bruce... they want to kill YOU. Thats what the letter says, it gives instructions on where to go and what to do to get the machine u an running... you have three days, Bruce.
    BM- three days??
    Dent- The First leader is running a technological imporium in midtown, hes calling it NigmaTech. Go there, find out where and who this "Penguin" is and kill them both... save Gotham, Bruce. Save it my place.
    BM- you can help me Harvey, we can save Gotham together.
    (Dent walks to the window and sighs, then pulls out a gun.)
    Dent- No Bruce the world wont forgive me for my sins... and no good deed would save my soul. (He turns back around) Goodbye Bruce... now hurry, your clock is counting down.
    (Batman thanks him and runs out of the room, down the stairs.)
    Harvey puts the gun to the burnt side of his head and closes his eyes. The scene cuts to Batman running to the Tumbler and the winodw above him flashing as a gun goes off.
    BM- Bye Harvey.
    He drives off towards midtown...
    It cuts to a green building called NigmaTech and some people are loading a contraption into the back doors... inside it there is a green liquid and on the side there is a radioactive symbol and four letters under it B A N E...
    (Roll Credits)

    And thats the fourth ones summary (If I were directing the movie, haha)
    Reasons: I Like Harvey Dent, i didn't like the way they killed him in the first movie. I think Dent and Two Face were very much against each other and i think that two face beat Dent until Dent heard that his city was in trouble, which is when he got full control and finally rid himself of Two Face forever. However, Dent was too hard on himself and Bruce forgiving him wasnt enough, he needed to forgive himself, which he never could.
    I want Edward Nigma AKA The Riddler and The Penguin in the fourth one because they are the smartest of the villains i think. They planned to use the toxin on Gotham (Much like in Batman Begins) to turn everyone stupid and strong, (Bane) so that they have an army of super humans.
    You could add some more villains to it, i dont care, i just wanted there to be a set up for number four.

  1. Brutus Says:
    July 3rd, 2008 at 12:17

    CLAYFACE in Batman 3...

  1. robert Says:
    July 7th, 2008 at 21:47

    I want to see the story of Bane. I'm still undecided about Robin. I think they could approach that as a kid who's parents are killed and is taken in by Bruce Wayne. He's being trained by Batman during the Bane story. Because for the most part in the Knightfall saga Robin didn't do too much fighting, he did some but more so it was detective work and observation. Of course they could get Jean Paul Valley (azreal). That would be good along with the whole Bane story. Casting would go I guess the kid that's in everything now Shia Lebeouf or something could be Robin or the guy that was young darth vader in Star wars. For Jean Paul Valley i'm not sure maybe the dude off Lost or Bard Pitt or something.

  1. Haley Says:
    July 8th, 2008 at 23:24

    So I do want a Robin in the movie even its just a cameo. Maybe at the end of the third movie, have Wayne walking into the Haly's Circus, this way they could maybe branch off and do some Nightwing movies or convince the audience that a B/R movie is possible if they use Tim Drakes outfit but have Dick Grayson. Robin was introduced very early in the comics so they can't go very far in time without him.

  1. the dark me Says:
    July 10th, 2008 at 16:39

    Well i think robin would be good if he was done tastefully like the new batman. And they should prolly get Emile Hirsch to play robin, lol. Well why not? He always plays the koolest role in a movie. iono

  1. BWCFROG Says:
    July 12th, 2008 at 01:11

    Not one person has mentioned the foe I would most like to see.....

    THE RIDDLER !

    I read in two places that the Riddler is being rumored as a possible foe for the 3rd movie. I would imagine Two-Face would play a pretty major role in number 3 as well.

    As for Robin, as long as they dont make him some putz - screwing everything up for the dark feel Nolan has given the movies....I dont care. Maybe a Nightwing type instead of Robin.

  1. Brad Says:
    July 13th, 2008 at 14:46

    Joker should not be re-cast...

    He should have no conclusion of the character and should not be killed or anything like that in a third film. These new films are taking place fairly early in batmans life... they should just reference to the fact that the Joker has not been found and has disapeared in batman 3. This means that we can all imagine that, "oh joker is going to be in many more conflicts with batman after the third film concludes" rather than "oh look a new joker". Less is more sometimes also.

    A serious version of the Riddler would work real well, and with two face in the third film, you can add one more villain at most, but you dont have to...

  1. Jerome Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 15:36

    I think that he could pull off a poison ivy & comppletely reimagine her orgiins. She made of part marijuana -very addictive.
    He could do NEW villians like man-bat/harleyquinn/clayface they would be very cool. I dont know how keen catwoman is too many bad halle berry memories im serious.
    Last point is that riddler can be done but he might be too riddleresqe being so psychotic
    Lets do scarface&dummy or roxy rocket thats a challenge

  1. robinsucks Says:
    July 16th, 2008 at 23:27

    OMG NO ROBIN!!!

  1. robinsucks Says:
    July 16th, 2008 at 23:27

    OMG NO ROBIN!!

  1. Batmn4evr Says:
    July 17th, 2008 at 16:49

    (to the writer) your "scooper" doesnt know what there talking about! i saw a private showing last night and I can promise you its not going to be 2-face.

  1. Dummy Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 03:37

    ok so 2 face is dead now what genious?

  1. Kingofthepurplemonkeys Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 04:01

    ok, my standpoint is as follows:

    Robin, I don't think should be put into this Series. The world of batman as created by Nolan is dark and dreary. Adding Robin to that world would ruin the entire Atmosphere of this world. Two-face coming in the third, Doubtful with the ending of the second one. Joker may be re-cast, but They really have to find someone good. Ledgers performance was, in a word, Brilliant. It would take one HELL of an actor to fill that role. As for other villains, Freeze would be good, the riddler would be good with the right person. ClayFace would be interesting, but i don't think it would fit in. uhm..that really leaves Catwoman. which, done right , could be very good. I am not familiar with the other villains, but Penguin HELL NO! BTW, The second movie, having just returned from it, was SPECTACULAR!!!

  1. Kmcirishman89 Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 15:14

    After seeing dark knight and reading some of the posts, I think that if robin were to be introduced it would be through gordon's son. I know it was gordons daughter who originally becomes batgirl, but the way the movies are going i think his son as robin would be perfect. He is already establishing a relationship with batman in the first and second movies. Also, depending on the time period of batman 3, he could be the perfect age. I think gordon will be killed in the upcoming movie and robin will seek revenge on the criminals out of anger and fear(much like batman started out). Seeing this, batman recognizes himself in the boy and decides to take him under his WING, literally...ha sorry that was a lame joke. As for villians, Penguin could be cast more as a kingpin character, kinda like a crazy form of falcone from the first movie. I don't think we've seen the last of joker, he is too prominant in tdk to just disappear at the top of his game. There are so many villians from the series that i really dont know who could be the main focus.

  1. Master of PWN Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 15:20

    Christopher Nolan already said as long as hes making these movies Robin will never be in them so thats retarded. Obviously from recent posts 2-Face will not be in a third film and neither will Joker. Basically from here is either FReeze, penguin or riddler which i heard rumors of the riddler already but only a small part like 2-Face had

  1. beau r Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 15:20

    i think they need to bring the riddler in, they could do the same with him as the joker make hime a little darker and all... and jim carey could still do him, he can be dark and and just as he was in the number 23.

  1. Dave Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 15:20

    Catwoman will be in the next movie. If you payed attention during TDK, Lucious Fox foreshadowed Catwoman when describing the new bat suit to Bruce. Bruce asked if he'd be able to resist dogs biting him. and Fox jokingly said: "what kind of dogs? Rotweilers or chiuwawas? It may not be dogproof, but it will hold up against a cat!"

    As for a Two-face, Riddler combo.... don't count on it. It's already been done, i don't think Nolan would do the same plot as Batman Forever. Even with a different story (which would of course be darker and better) he'd still be compared to that film either good or bad.

    And Please PLEASE no Robin!!!

  1. john6391 Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 16:32

    I personally would like to see Riddler or Freeze (no penguin) in the third movie. No Robin or just a brief role (I think I know who would be cast as Robin, Shia La Bouf). Looking forward to the 3rd movie.

  1. Scott Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 16:32

    No 2-face for 3rd film.....and they would be best served not having Joker in another one for 10 years(3 films later). The age difference and time past will improve audience acceptance of another actor, after that great job by HL.

    As far as a villian...all the classic ones like Riddler, Catwoman and Penguin don't seem to be a fit in the Nolan universe (ok, maybe Riddler would work, but too much like Joker right now). I would prefer them to use a character like Bane from the novel Knightfall......and maybe bring in the Azrael character as well. Leave Robin out of it, the Batman in Nolan's world would never allow a kid to help.

  1. Alejandro A. Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 16:41

    NO ROBIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEEEASE!!!!!!!

    I would love to see an adaptation of “ARKHAM ASYLUM“ , enough crime lords, lets see the truly creepy side of batman.

  1. whitemalan Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 20:31

    alright heres my two cents.

    im a huge fan and after seeing tdk i doubt two-face is returning. joker should be recast but with a minor part with little face shown and maybe even some harley quinn.

    also robin is the bomb!!!!!! i love the character and as long as he is younger than last time it should be a beautiful thing. i am a fan of multiple movies and i would like at least four. and the next two should have robin/grayson/nightwing. in four they could speed up time, show grayson as night wing, todd being red x, and drake as the current robin

    and for the villains, i say give some of the background characters a time to shine huh

  1. Dandino Says:
    July 19th, 2008 at 00:19

    yeah, im going to guess two-face is out completly. I personally dont see them making a 4th one. So far, Nolan has made it quite clear that he only wants to direct 3 of them and adding robin would sort of throw the atmosphere thats been set so far, off. As far as villians go, I cant answer. I def. didnt pick up the whole foreshadow thing about Catwoman til it was mentioned by Dave but since he mentioned it, it really makes sense. I dont know though. Only time will tell. Have they set a ball park release date yet like fall of '09 or anything?

  1. steve78654 Says:
    July 19th, 2008 at 00:19

    I just saw the dark knight and 1st have to say wow!!! fuckn outstanding!!! seeing the movie you could argue that nolan wanted to use Heath in the next film, be it at arkam or wherever, if he didnt die he would with out a doubt be in the next film. In the next film i'd like to see Denzel play Freeze or Daniel Day Lewis as Riddler, those two actors would bring a creative twist to those roles the way heath did
    and yes i have to agree

    NO ROBIN!!!

  1. bbbpp202 Says:
    July 19th, 2008 at 05:18

    Two face is dead...Riddler + Scarecrow combo is the most likely candidates for a third film. Id like to see the league of shadows come back I mean come on they were around for thousands of years and now just completely out of the story? Even if Batman killed Raz Im sure someone would rise to take his place.

  1. tom Ong Says:
    July 19th, 2008 at 05:18

    Penguin! They have to recast the Joker. Unless Harvey just rises from his grave or something. Maybe a little Cat Woman?

  1. Marcus Says:
    July 19th, 2008 at 05:18

    I think ppl are reaching with the one line "cats" comment meaning cat women will be in the next one. Ppl usually leave more odvious signs like a Joker card in Batman Begins...I'd like to see Bane(sadistic fits in perfect with this Batman world) or Blackmask another really evil character....Riddler makes some sense as well!

    btw that movie was great didn't even notice it was that long. Heath Ledger was brilliant really sad that I won't get to see any more Joker!

  1. Jon Says:
    July 19th, 2008 at 05:18

    Heath Ledger did an amazing job playing the Joker! and i am very saddened by his loss. I dont think they should write the joker out though. An actor comes to mind that could recreate what Ledger did, and it's Johnny Depp. He as well is a great actor and i think he could pull it off. On the other hand though would this be taking away from the phenomonal job Ledger did in this roll? i dunno, im just making a suggestion. BATMAN ROCKS!!!

  1. AnthonyKnight Says:
    July 19th, 2008 at 05:18

    i think that Maybe they should Bring in the riddler for the 3rd one

    the four Best villens Batman Had was

    #1 The Joker

    #2 The riddler

    #3 Two face

    #4 Catwomen

    the riddler would be the Best one to see

    don't make him like the cartoon Or like batman 4 lmao

    Make him really zoned out and weird like the Joker was in the dark knight

    i think it wold really be cool and it would be a good way to end the trilagy

  1. whoisbatman? Says:
    July 19th, 2008 at 14:50

    hugh laurie as the riddler... seriously... can you think of a better person for the role?

  1. NATE Says:
    July 19th, 2008 at 14:53

    Since Heath's death I doubt they'll recast the part, and probably write it out. You could tell that they planned for him to be in the third. Gotta suck for the Nolan's. However, now they have the ability to make something original. Screw the graphic novels even though they were good. It would be nice to have Joker in the third, but Heath's Joker was soooo good. Buuuut it'd be cool to see him conquor arkham, build an army of psychopaths, and ultimately have Batman merc him. Hard decision, probably no joker though. I expect to see Catwoman because another love interest is only logical. Not really sure how I feel about that. Robin would be hard to pull off. Bane would be really bad ass, but he's just too new of a character. Does'nt really have a place in the mythology. Blah blah blah. The new batcave, batmobile, maybe the batwing if they could do it without being cheezy (The only thing I did'nt like about the original movie). Wow. Now that I think about it...this movie is probably doomed.

  1. random_ass_hat Says:
    July 19th, 2008 at 15:27

    Unfortunately with all hollywood trends, the money paves the way, not the content or story. Someone said Shia LeBeouf as robin, as sad as that is, i fear it may be correct. Bale may not return as he is now tied to that occursed T5, or whatever it's being called, nonsense. While Ledger was intense in his depiction of the Joker, he wasn't so good that he couldn't be recast. Hell, Bale played a more twisted and sociopathic character in American Psycho, then there was Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men. I'm not gonna make a huge list, my point is Heath Ledger was not the first person to pull off a crazy killer roll and won't be the last.
    *dons his flame resistant gear*
    and if you wanna know the truth ledger is getting the same overhype that Brandon Lee got for becoming an hero during the Crow all those years back.

  1. randomashhat Says:
    July 19th, 2008 at 15:27

    Unfortunately with all hollywood trends, the money paves the way, not the content or story. Someone said Shia LeBeouf as robin, as sad as that is, i fear it may be correct. Bale may not return as he is now tied to that occursed T5, or whatever it's being called, nonsense. While Ledger was intense in his depiction of the Joker, he wasn't so good that he couldn't be recast. Hell, Bale played a more twisted and sociopathic character in American Psycho, then there was Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men. I'm not gonna make a huge list, my point is Heath Ledger was not the first person to pull off a crazy killer roll and won't be the last.
    *dons his flame resistant gear*
    and if you wanna know the truth ledger is getting the same overhype that Brandon Lee got for becoming an hero during the Crow all those years back.

  1. gary/bats Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 03:46

    yes we need nolan back. please comeback and direct which im sure you will. yes we need joker also. but ofcourse in regards to heath maybe they shouldnt. two face defenitly needs to be back that was far to quick when he fell to have died suddenly after all gordon faked and batman fell he got up wasnt too far of a drop. yes the longholloween series would be correct for this stories. great stories. thats all for now love all comments.

  1. Hardy Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 03:46

    Drop Sean Penn in as the Riddler and the franchise keeps on trucking.

  1. Danyelle J King Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 15:15

    Hey guys I have a bit of an upper hand on probably the rest of you lol I work at a private gym where David Goyer trains at here in West Hollywood and when he comes in I will scream "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOOOOOO ROBIN!!!!!" LOL!

  1. Atul Varaskar Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 15:15

    Give us Penguin !!!!!

  1. beans Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 15:15

    I don't think the riddler will work because he seems too similar to Joker. I like the Idea of bane in the movie. I would also like to see deadshot in the movie because People think batman killed all those people and him trying tobe the new hero would work

  1. Moviedude Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 15:15

    Riddler...but somewhat reimagined.
    Joker = anarchist who created chaos and savored the power of fear for his own sadistic self-fulfillment/
    Riddler = Intellectual elitist who becomes disillusioned with politics & current Gotham political climate birthed from Dent’s hyped mythos upon uncovering the true Dent mythos that he devolves into a revolutionary political radical. Believes the Joker squandered his power on hedonism instead of exacting social change.
    ...Nigma originally likes the order that has returned to Gotham as he is ingrained with an obsessive-compulsive personality. He welcomes the structure, but because Enigma bought the original Dent mythos hook, line and sinker, he devolves as his obsessive compulsive nature compels him to spread the truth. However, since it has been several years since Dent's death, the Dent mythos has become ingrained in the people of Gotham's collective conscious. Nigma is marginalized as the people are ambivalent towards him and his theories, which further exacerbates his fervor for solving the ultimate Puzzle--the answer to which will provide the catalyst for his revolution (so he believes.) Thus, his compulsion causes him to descend into a mad obsession with the Question the Joker so selfishly (in Nigma’s mind) left unanswered: Who is the Batman?
    Nigma ascends from a petty nuisance obsessed with crime scenes and crime solving as a hobby to a greater and greater threat as he seeks to truly unravel the mystery of Batman. Just as Wayne feels he will be able to leave Batman behind for good since Dent's mythos has inspired and created renewal in Gotham over the last seven years (which was Wayne’s original intent with the symbol Batman), a new kind of cerebral challenger has instigated a mental chess match with Batman/Wayne where each move could be Checkmate. While Nigma's ego makes him disdainful of the ill stewardship the Joker showed with the power he created through chaos and fear, he is a fan of the Joker's Charisma, Style and presentation, hence the somewhat similar fashion style. While Joker wanted Anarchy and instability, the Riddler will want Political Revolution and forced social re-engineering so that the rightful power to govern as necessary will rest with the only ones he believes can be trusted to know how to use it properly, the intellectual elite, rather than the uneducated and easily misled/distracted masses.

  1. Riddler Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 15:15

    I like the idea of the Riddler but don't copy the joker make him different again. Make him even darker. he can be a serial killer that leaves a riddle at the scene of a crime for the next murder. Make it a guessing game for batman.

    With Robin maybe we need to move away from the traditional story of Bruce takes him in and he discovers his secret maybe have him making a name for himself and a Robin or Nightwing. His parents are killed so he starts to fight crime on his own trying to avenge them or he blames batman so he goes after him to bring him to justice. But keep the character realistic and dark PLEASE

  1. Kitten Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 15:15

    After seeing The Dark Knight there was a hint that Robin may be in the 3rd. Please don't let this happen! It was obvious that Two Face would come back and Gary Oldman has let it slip that The Riddler will be a feature. As a female comic book fan I'd love to see my all time favorite comic book character in the third - Catwoman and I think Angelina Jolie would be purrfect in that role.

  1. J homie Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 20:11

    No Robin. No new Joker no one could play it has insane as heath
    Just 2 face and his crew

  1. Kermudgen Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 20:11

    GREEN ARROW AS A VILLAIN!

  1. Hater Depot Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 23:49

    Joker is alive, Two-Face is dead.... looks like your source really did a bang-up job.

  1. Two-Face Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 23:49

    I think that Catwoman is stupid-no effence to anyone. I like Two-Face, Hush, The Riddler, (sucks suck sucks! that heath ledger is gone, Joker, I think, is out of the picture) Rachael Dawes is dead! thats going to create a major problem in the screenplay for the next film! ahh!! that makes me mad. I loved the movie and i could watch it over and over and over again. I think (usually there is two villans) that Two-Face should be in it, Scarecrow is still not out of the picture (lol) Hush would be cool, Hopefully The Joker is out, I feel so bad for Nolan, because he hinted that Joker would be back. Poisin Ivy (bad) Mr. Freeze (we'll see) Catwoman (Uh-Uh no) The Riddler (um...kind of) Two Face (uh huh...Awsome) The Joker (too bad...Damnit!) Hush (Well...Don't know) Scarecrow (well...We'll see!) Ra's al gul (deceased) Bane (!) Harley Quinn (Well... I dont think she should so it) Penguin (Thats hard)

  1. Austin Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 23:49

    the directors are going to do something very suprising the villian cant just be two face it would be to boaring.... in batman forever riddler and 2 face team up but the joker wont come back for sure bc heath ledger was just to good at it they will do something interesting but we never know

  1. j Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 23:49

    does anyone know or think Rachel Dawes charater will be back?

  1. Mike Beckmann Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 23:49

    I hope Robin is in Batman 3. Yes maybe look at some of the younger actors for the role because at the beginning Robin was a kid then obvously he got older. Also I hope The Penguin and maybe Catwomen will be introduced in Batman 3. If Batgirl is eventually introdued as well that she is Commissioner Gordons daughter like in the animated series Batman The Animated Series and in the old 60s Batman TV series as well and not Alfreds Neice like in the original Batman Movies. Finally if The Riddler is also eventully introduced how about Jim Carry again I think he was good as The Riddler in the original Batman Movies. I don't know about Sean Penn as The Riddler but who knows?

  1. Pat Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 23:50

    ok the joker is done he is old news. the riddler is the future he does need to be a darker then the joker. like have the joker given inspiration to someone when he was in jail. thats hard to do but he needs to be someone who is framing batman for even more crimes. the police should also hire bane to catch batman and not the old movie batman but the intelligent bane.

    this leads to batman havin to stay away from bane and tryin to catch the riddler. this could lead to goin back to joker somewat statin a new class of criminals notin not only Dent was suppose to become evil but for gotham to change.......and this goes on and on till batman is able to find out the riddler is just provin a point that batman cant save everyone. batman noticin that gordans son witnesses batman almost killin the riddler stops and throws him to the side. when bane grabs the boy betrayin the police settin up the final battle between the 2 in the batcave

  1. Darkly Dreaming Scott Says:
    July 20th, 2008 at 23:50

    Ok i have just seen the dark night. I loved it. Now the 3rd batman movie should have robyn in it. I love robyn and he should have a nightwing style costume only with red instead of the blue. Because c'mon two face kills his family doesnt he? and whos the next bad guy? two face. Are you all insane? You all say that these new movies are like the comic books. BUT THEIR NOT their close but their not. BATMAN IS INSANE! is totaly nuts more insane than the joker, batman treats criminals worse than blade treets vampires, batman thinks hes the ultimate paladin when hes just completly off the hindges and scary!!!! as i said BATMAN IS INSANE!!!!!
    Ok now i got that off my chest i would also like to say. Robyn should be braught into it because he gives batman the only reason to hold onto a little bit of humanty because without Dick Bruce would just loose it, Dick is the only thing that brings hope and joy into his life, Bruce See's Dick as a son havent you realised this? I have red lodes of the commics and graphic novels and thats how i see it... And in all honesty i think they should bring in poison ivy and have Helena Bonham Carter playing her. Jus tmy thaughts

  1. Steve Austin Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 00:42

    what ever happened to The Riddler?

  1. RAWRr Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 00:42

    should be
    poison ivy = angelina jolie
    joker = johnny depp
    and Harley Quinn!! :]] bee coooool

  1. See the Movie Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 01:19

    K first off, Two-Face will NOT be coming back. It is unfortunate that they cut his story so short for he would have been a great continuation, but too bad. As for the joker, i think they need to recast him. I am grieved that there will never be a joker as good as the one Ledger portrayed for it was outstanding and i was blown away! The only thing is that he HAS to be in the next movie so they need to find someone that with a HUGE amount of work might suffice as a good joker. As for villains i think that the penguin would be a poor choice, his antics and methods are too unrealistic for what the movies are displaying as of late. Riddler could be awesome if they were able to reconstruct the character in the way that they did with the Joker. The joker was completely insane in Dark Knight and was an extremely dark, scary character. If they were able to create a riddler to that extremity things could get flat out freaky and it would be an incredible character, delving into the complexity of the riddler. I really really hope that they do NOT introduce robin. There is NO actor that is young enough that i have seen that would be talented enough to play his character well and really make it an exciting addition. I think it would be extremely distracting to what Nolan and crew has created already. I like the character in the comics, but not really until he becomes Nightwing. The batman that they have created in Begins and Dark Knight is too deep and dark too make him take care of a kid all of the sudden

  1. randomperson Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 01:39

    I think that really any villain would be fitting for a sequel as long as nolan is the director. I have nothing against Robin i just think that the reason why his movies were so bad is because they had a horrible director. I would hate to see that Joker will never appear in THIS batman series, but i just cant imagine anyone else playing Joker anymore heath ledger was soooo good that Joker would just be so different without him. I think that if WB wants to continue the series, if Robin is going to make an appearance, or if Joker will return they have to find someone half as good as Nolan because in the last series Tim Burton was great but everything went haywire when they got their new director. If they don't make that mistake WB could toss in any villains or sidekicks from the Batman series and they will be fine.

  1. guserious? Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 01:39

    My idea for #3:
    Natalie portman should play Harley Quinn in a bookend role to the joker. This way the joker will still have a presence in Batman 3 but not one that would require a performance as breathtaking as Heath Ledgers. That way, perhaps if Crispin Glover/Adrian Brody/Johnny Depp were to be the next joker, he would have a sidekick taking up the other half of the screen time, doing some of his new dirty work. This also makes sense because TDK was all about joker, so now its time for a new villain to be in the spotlight.
    Yes on catwoman! not halle berry style tho :)

  1. Two-Face Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 04:32

    Ok everyone, don't come to conclusions jus too quick on Two-Face, Batman fell off the building too and didn't die, Gordan came back to life msteriously and they pulled that off pretty well! For all we know Two-Face could be put in the hospital, considering profits and how Batman must 'redeam' himself, they need an IMPORTANT villan, and thats Two-Face, Joker, Riddler (main bad-guys!) Its going to be good, whatever they do, trust me. WE DON"T KNOW ABOUT TWO-FACE YET!!!

  1. Jim Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 04:32

    I think they should bring robin into the 3rd one because he was part of the comics. I also think they should use the riddler or penguin, maybe mr freeze. They can use flashbacks to create the robin character much like they did with wayne in Begins. As long as they use serious actors unlike what they did with the Mr freeze. My take
    Robin- LeBouf
    Riddler-Myabe they could let Carrey try agin but I doubt it, Dvid Hyde Pierce?, Hugh Laurie would be sweet also, NPH maybe
    Penguin- everything I have read points to people wanting Seymor Hoffman to take this role which would work.
    Mr freeze-Kevin Spacey

  1. katie Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 15:07

    ok no more joker heath did something with that character that cant be done by anyone so to recast and replace him would be insulting i think and at the same time he cant just disappear so they should just say he is in the assluym and it would be great to see a girl villian i like cat women and with the penguin was great in the older film she could also be teamed up with poison ivy for double female villans and no robin its called batman for a reason no sidekick

  1. katie Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 15:07

    i know the joker is the most important character next to batman but heath did such a good job replacing him would be an insult he made the joker but you cant just make the main villian disapper they should just say he is in the asylum and as for other villians i would love to see a girl like cat women im not that big a fan of ivy but it could work or they could just not make another one

  1. the tard Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 15:07

    Seriously, I think it would be sweet to have the Mad Hatter in this movie....not as the main badguy, that would obviously go to Two Face.....but i think it would ad an interesting element to the story!!!

  1. Nathan Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 15:08

    I'll do you all one better. Christopher Nolan will not have any character with super-human abilities. That rules out characters like Freeze, Poison Ivy, Clayman, or even the Penguin. Christian Bale will not play Batman with a Robin casted. Coleman Reese, the accountant who figured out Batman's identity in The Dark Knight, has a name much like Edward Nigma, from the old Batman movies. His name was E-nigma, or The Riddler. Coleman Reese or Mr. Reese, sounds like Mysteries and the Riddler knows the identity of Batman. That could be an interesting twist for Batman 3.

    Also, John Travolta. Given he loses a few pounds, could easily play the joker. Has the voice, the facial structure, he's just a little hefty. Think about that one.

  1. Nathan Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 15:08

    I'll do you all one better. Christopher Nolan will not have any character with super-human abilities. That rules out characters like Freeze, Poison Ivy, Clayman, or even the Penguin. Christian Bale will not play Batman with a Robin casted. Coleman Reese, the accountant who figured out Batman's identity in The Dark Knight, has a name much like Edward Nigma, from the old Batman movies. His name was E-nigma, or The Riddler. Coleman Reese or Mr. Reese, sounds like Mysteries and the Riddler knows the identity of Batman. That could be an interesting twist for Batman 3.

    Also, John Travolta. Given he loses a few pounds, could easily play the joker. Has the voice, the facial structure, he's just a little hefty. Think about that one.

  1. ryan Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 17:48

    even though heath ledger is no longer here with us, i think they can still cast the joker in the third sequel. jack nickelson (not sure on that spellling) can still play an awsome joker like he did back when he was the joker. only this time he would have to do heath ledger's style of the joker, being the more creepier and insane joker. (although i think jack nickelson did a damn good job at playing the joker as well, but they just had different syles.) as for robin...well...i dont know. at first i was thinking no robin, but the way batman begins and the dark knight is (being the best batman movies ever now), i think they can pull off a good robin. since a lot of people dont like robin they can have the jack nickelson joker kill him like what happened in the comics. haha that would put a big shocker in the movie. even though they could have the joker in the 3rd film, the main focus should definitely be on a different villian. like maybe two-face or catwoman(because shes freakin sexy).....yea catwoman in that tight black leather outfit and a whip....haha oh baby. if they had a batman porno out on HBO or some sh*t they could have catwoman in a lesbian scene with poison ivy!

  1. anotherjohnny Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 17:48

    It's gonna take a big performer/performance following that of the Joker/Ledger. Of the names mentioned herein, I see only two that I believe can pull it off. Johnny Depp as the Riddler or Mad Hatter, as Depp can pull just about anything off, and both are right up his alley. And Angelina Jolie would be the ultimate Catwoman, as she is sexy and sort of evil, plus a great actress, not to mention she sort of resembles Julie Newmar. The only other name I have seen in threads that may also compete was Daniel Day Lewis as the Mad Hatter.

  1. anotherjohnny Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 17:48

    although i did just see a vote for casey affleck as the riddle. he might just work. very underrated actor. the guy who played coleman reese in dark knight cannot pull it off.

  1. Bane Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 17:48

    ok heres how it will go down

    #1. 2-face is gone ok but he will have influence in the next but as harvey

    #2. joker made everyone think he only created one person(2-face) when he gave gotham a new class of villian but really he made someone even better to make batman go to new lengths and cross the line even farther.... that person is the riddler

    #3. the riddler would have to be a insane man who is bent on tormentin peoples minds or something dark like that this would cause batman to do things he couldnt possibly imagine....... he thought the joker was bad well the riddler will be even worse

    #4. the police are tryin to capture batman for his murders so wat ends up happenin is bane comes into the picture. the intelligent bane that is so that it makes for an exciting fight betweeen the 2. wat could happen is bane doesnt care when the city thinks of batman as a hero again..... bane wants to kill the bat and even ends up killing alfred or lucious or someone like. this will lead to batman and bane havin a climatic battle after the riddler is killed accidently endin with batman finding out how some things may not change in gotham but all he can do is protecting those he cares for most
    and that gotham needs bruce wayne to help them out as well

    #5. the cast would have everyone who already played there person in the first 2 ex. batman=bale

    bane=most likely theyll get some wrestler idk wat theyll do but he has to be intelligent

    riddler=jim carrey was amazing but as u probably know someone can take his place and i think u have to get nicholas cage to play him he would be perfect

    this new class of criminal would be perfect for batman 3

    most likely though is the riddler will be like maroni or 2-face in this just kinda a side thing to bane who should be the main vilian of the movie


    other villains they could have but i dont think they will for this one

    killer croc=any1 with a cajun accent
    mr. freeze= probably someone like edward nortan or even john travola
    catwoman=could be a love interest with it bein someone like jessica biel
    penguin= not the best for it but could get anyone short and stubby
    hush=not likely but it could turn out to be 2-face so ekhart
    poison ivy=same thing with catwoman again jessica biel
    clayface=have him be rachel dawes to haunt him so maggie

    thats wat i got for u

  1. jis31 Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 21:38

    My opinion.
    No Robin. No Batgirl. No Catwomen. And definately No Nicholas Cage.

    Definately focus on the scarecrow. I love Cillian Murphy.

  1. CybertronNews Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 21:38

    Oh man! I'm already excited for the 3rd! I just saw The Dark Knight and it had a lot of Joker and Two-Face. Its the best super hero movie I have ever seen so far. But after seeing it I'm kinda thinking they will have Two-Face return (he "dies" in The Dark Knight). But what I really really want is: keep Two-Face dead, no Robin, have Killercrock, Penguin, and Catwoman in it, and have Scarcrow return. Thats my only wishes...

  1. J Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 22:43

    Ok, so the whole Mr. Reese thing makes a ton of sense....think about:

    Vindictive, smart banker type turned enemy of batman AND Bruce Wayne.

    1) He was checking over Bruce Wayne's books in TDK to MAKE SURE HE NEVER RUNS OUT OF MONEY...he could rob Bruce Wa